User talk:Chermundy

Thanks...

...for your help with the articles Myosoricinae and Talpidae. Chrisrus (talk) 15:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Article titles

Thanks for your work on mammal articles. I noticed you have been renaming some articles from scientific to vernacular names, such as Mammelomys lanosus. However, these vernacular names are usually quite poorly known—having only been used a couple of times in lists in most cases—and therefore the WP:RODENT project has agreed to the guideline that such articles should usually be at the scientific name. The same principle (stemming from the statement in our WP:Article titles policy that page names should follow usage in reliable sources) applies to other mammalian groups, but hasn't yet been implemented there. Ucucha 05:49, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It's so... I only dislike "semi-scientific" species names, derived from elements of binomial names, as in case of Mammelomyses (renamed). Chermundy (talk) 05:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, those are bad. The whole point I see in common names is that they're more easily comprehensible for the layperson; if the commn name is something like "mammelomys", that doesn't really work. (A worse example, by the way, is Neacomys paracou, one common name of which is "Paracou Neacomys"!) Ucucha 06:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh yes, one of many other similar Musser and Carleton's names. Paracou Bristly Mouse, of course! Chermundy (talk) 07:00, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Renaming articles to title case

Hi Chermundy, can you explain to me why you are renaming shrew articles to title case? Thanks, WolfmanSF (talk) 17:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I add soricomorpha navbox to articles, and I aim to link become bold, so that user could promptly see species position in navbox (a link become bold, when it coincides with article name). It is easier to me to rename article than to edit navbox. Moreover, majority of animal species articles already title case. I don't know why, but I like it. Chermundy (talk) 05:47, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it is much easier to edit the navbox than to move and edit the articles. I have done the former, and reverted the moves and article edits. While it may be true that a majority of the more obscure mammal articles are title case, I'm not aware that any high-level policy decision has been made or general consensus has been reached that this should be done. Formally, species names are common nouns and thus should be sentence case. Various arguments have been put forward that there are practical advantages to using title case, none of which I find convincing. Many of the more prominent, heavily edited mammal articles use sentence case (for example, see Raccoon, soon to be a FA). This suggests to me that a lot of the more knowledgeable editors favor sentence case. WolfmanSF (talk) 22:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Some theory. Proper names (often capitalized) represent elements of class, and common names represent classes. In general use animal vernacular names refer to individuals, not species, so, they represent a class - sort of animal, and are common names. I believe, editors of Raccoon article use sentence case, because they say about animal itself, not species: "The raccoon... is a medium-sized mammal". But if they tell about species, I think, they used title case: "The Raccoon... is a species of mammal". A species name represents element of class - a separate species of species diversity, so, it is a proper name and should be title case. Indeed, scientific Latin animal names refer to taxa, and never specimens, and always title case. In article title and taxobox name "Raccoon", where it represents species, I sure, is title case, but it is not clearly seen since the name consists of single word. See articles with complex names, Gray Wolf, for example. I tried to rename House mouse to House Mouse, but the attempt failed.

About naming of individual animals I'm not so sure, but using title case also may make sence in this case, e. g., for distinguishing from name's literally meaning (not all Gray wolves actually have gray fur, such wolves are not "gray", but "Gray"). Maybe, only adjectives, not all words, similarly to human nations names ("Chineese people"), though this become fully opposite to binomial names...Chermundy (talk) 22:03, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for your help with many Talpidae and other articles! Chrisrus (talk) 23:04, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Renaming bats

I see you have started to rename a lot of bat articles including the Featured Article Pipistrellus raceyi which I reviewed during FAC. There is no mention of renaming on the article's talk page. Please show me where you have established consensus for this change in particular and the others in general. — Mirokado (talk) 19:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I didn't discuss this particular issue with anyone. In general, you can find some information about renaming on my talk page... By the way, today I'm going to rename 16 more bat articles. If you'll have any objections, you may ask me, I'll try to consider them. Anyway, it is not hard to me to revert my renamings. Chermundy (talk) 19:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply.

• You cannot in my opinion undertake wholesale renaming of articles without discussing it first with the main authors and project(s) involved. Apart from anything else it is a discourtesy to the authors not to seek their opinion first. Please do not rename any more articles until you have achieved consensus. To be perfectly clear, I oppose this renaming, so at present you do not have consensus to do anything further. Reasons:

• The articles have been created as part of a coherent plan which such renaming disrupts
• There are quite a few Featured Articles with this naming schema thus the community has already reached consensus about how to name these articles
• The scientific name is unique and has a consistent format. It is easy to create redirects from commonly-used alternatives and that in my opinion would be better than renaming
• In the case of Pipistrellus raceyi, the original lead in the article said: "Pipistrellus raceyi, also known as Racey's pipistrelle bat, ..." so by omitting "bat" you have chosen a title which is not what was stated as the common name anyway. Do you have a source for the use of the name without "bat"?

• You certainly cannot rename a Featured Article without establishing consensus first. Please undo the renaming of all the Featured Articles you have renamed, straight away. I have no idea how to do that since there is now a redirect with the old name, but you clearly do know how. As far as I am concerned any other articles can wait until others have made their opinion known, but I will be proposing that all these changes be undone, for the above reasons. — Mirokado (talk) 20:38, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I have now checked the first two changes you made: Hairy-winged Bat to Lesser Hairy-winged Bat, both names appear in the reference and the new name is mentioned first, so we need to discover why the original article title was chosen. In the case of Eptesicus taddeii to Tadde's Serotine, the only reference in this article does not mention "Tadde's Serotine". The bat is named in honour of Valdir Antônio Taddei and the latin genitive is taddeii, so "Tadde" appears to be an error, the reference does not mention "serotine" at all and you did not explain why you made the change. I have now found out how to revert renames, so I will revert this straight away. If we include the FA that I have already mentioned, that makes two necessary reversions out of three articles I have checked so far. — Mirokado (talk) 22:19, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Well this is interesting! I find three or four references to "Tadde's Serotine" one of which has text virtually identical to the WP article and none for "Taddei's Serotine". They could easily all be blind copies of a single spelling mistake omitting the "i" from "Taddei's Serotine" (Taddei seems to be correct for his name), so I think we need a really good reference to justify including that common name at all: the current reference does not mention it. I won't rename the redirect "Tadde's Serotine" or request its deletion until the correct name is clearer, but the article name itself should I think remain as it was originally and is now. I will tidy up the FA too, but (perhaps fortunately, who knows?) I have no time for any more checking tonight. Mirokado (talk) 23:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Far Eastern Myotis

I find no justifcation for the move to "Amur Bat". You have reversed the order of the names in the original article without explanation. You have added a name which provides only a few matches for a Google search, most of which are unrelated hits. "Far Eastern Myotis" on the other hand provides seven pages of mostly-relevant hits even when I filter out obvious rip-offs of the WP article. Since the Russian page is titled Амурская ночница and one of the few hits was on a page entitled "Russian Bats", it may be that the name is more common in the Russian-speaking world. (Incidentally there are even fewer hits for "Bombinus bat".) If you add content to an article which is not trivially verifiable you need to add a good inline reference so that it can be verified. If you can find a good inline reference you could add "Amur bat" as the second or third alternative common name, but the article title should not be changed unless a really good reason can be provided. I will revert this rename. — Mirokado (talk) 20:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Arizona Myotis

from the reference in the article: "Myotis occultus ... common names Arizona Myotis, Occult Little Brown Bat, Hollister's Bat". There seems no justification at all for calling the article "Occult bat". It is quite damaging to rename an article to a name which is not supported by references, since lots of other websites mine Wikipedia for their content. Wikipedia must not invent new names for things. I will revert this rename. — Mirokado (talk) 20:47, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Whiskered myotis

this is an example where the common name(s) are confusing. Although "Wall-roosting Mouse-eared Bat" does indeed refer to Myotis muricola and appears in online references, there are more references for "Whiskered myotis" (the "Nepalese whiskered myotis"). However there is also the "Burmese whiskered myotis" (Myotis montivagus). Thus the original article name seems to have been wrong and yours is certainly an improvement, although in this case I think the latin name would be even better for the article name itself, with various redirects and probably "Whiskered myotis" leading to a dab page. The first section in your talk page has already told you that the latin name is better in this situation.

Conclusion

Of the six changes I have checked, I have had to revert four for the stated reasons and the last mentioned certainly needs further attention that would have been obvious with even cursory checks. You have not updated any of the references to correspond to your changes and with one exception sources do not support the change in article name. This leads me to the conclusion that although you may have thought this was a good idea, you have not in fact checked the references for each article you have changed. It is clearly your job as the author of the change to do this and Wikipedia policy clearly states WP:BURDEN: "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source ... Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed, but how quickly this should happen depends on the material and the overall state of the article." In this case, you have now had several days to make any corrections that were necessary and I have already indicated that creating articles with unsourced names is a source of immediate damage to Wikipedia. I have been happy to check some of the changes, but I am not prepared to waste the rest of the month doing the work you should have done in the first place and rip-of sites should not be given the opportunity to spread incorrect names.

For the above reasons I will take action as follows. I regard your mass renaming of bat articles as a single bold action (see WP:BOLD) since the changes were not checked individually. I will revert them following the "bold, revert, discuss cycle" (which is a widely-followed practice not a Wikipedia policy) and invite you to discuss any changes you think in fact are justified. You should in my opinion involve other authors for each article, and the relevant WikiProject in any general discussion. You have already had plenty of chance to make the further changes which would clearly be necessary, or to choose to self-revert.

I have begun to form my own opinion about how these articles should be dealt with, which is that we should add redirects where appropriate unless the current name is clearly incorrect. Some of the necessary redirects will of course now exist anyway. However, the above reversions will not as far as I am concerned prejudice any decision about a well-sourced justification for a name change if you wish to suggest it. I hope we can enjoy improving these articles together (and of course with others) in the future. — Mirokado (talk) 21:50, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

We certainly shouldn't be introducing names that are not in any sources. However, most of those bats should be at the scientific names, because the "common" names only appear in one source or a few, while all sources that deal with the species mention the scientific name. Ucucha 22:43, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. I've just finished the first set of reversions. I have made notes at User:Mirokado/Bats, including some that I have not reverted (yet) for stated reasons and a couple more where there seem to be specific reasons for choosing the scientific name. I will be happy to wait until we can settle on a final best name for the article. I can make the changes to scientific name if you wish, but would like the "OK" from an expert before doing that off my own bat (hahaha!) Once the article name has settled down, there may be some redirects to delete and possibly a few dab pages needed. — Mirokado (talk) 01:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I think that Ucacha's comment is sufficient encouragement to look further at these articles... Any other changes will qualify as "normal article improvement" so I won't comment further here. Mirokado (talk) 07:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Fake star names in star list templates

This change in Template:Stars of Hercules was bad, since I've been trying to hunt down fake star names by User:Richontaban for a while. Please don't revert star list templates so. Instead consult my list when (re)introducing star names. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 10:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

This edit was very inappropriate: you added a "star name" to a red link to the star μ CMa in Template:Stars of Canis Major. There is no such star name, and adding invented star names is bordering to vandalism. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 13:02, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

December 2010

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Before saving your changes to an article, please provide an edit summary for your edits. Doing so helps everyone to understand the intention of your edit (and prevents legitimate edits from being mistaken for vandalism). It is also helpful to users reading the edit history of the page. Thank you. I appreciate the work you are doing adding range maps but please start using the edit summary because editors will keep reverting your actions as they believe them to be vandalism ZooPro 03:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• ok. Chermundy (talk) 10:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks mate. ZooPro 11:14, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

your range maps

Dear Chermundy, I noticed some range maps that you have updated. Nice work ! The one in the Golden Oriole article is not concordant with the range described by IUCN for the species. Do you have time to update this as well ? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 15:40, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Eastern Barred Bandicoot

As the above notice, you forgot the native population around Hamilton, which never became extinct. You put the woodlands reintroduction but are missing four other sites. Please see this page for more. http://bird.net.au/bird/index.php?title=Eastern_Barred_Bandicoot Enlil Ninlil (talk) 21:57, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• I suppose the best decision of the problem is that you draw and upload a map yourself, or modify an existing map. I sure you can make this work better than me, as you know more. About distribution data on map I made: there presents only one reintroduced site, because I used IUCN data, for example, as on this map: http://www.iucnredlist.org/apps/redlist/details/16572/0/rangemap As you can see, it shows only one area on mainland Australia. I have no idea, why remaining sites was omitted (maybe, they show only areas with quite stable populations...) In any case, I suppose, a range map should contain all sites, where a species presents in wild (not in captivity). Chermundy (talk) 04:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Etruscan shrew range map

Etruscan shrews are known on Socotra. They have been introduced to many areas. Abductive (reasoning) 09:21, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• On Sokotra native, or introduced? Chermundy (talk) 09:39, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• Would have to be an old introduction. They're in Madagascar too. Abductive (reasoning) 09:57, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Sokotra added. What about Madagascar? I need exact locations... Chermundy (talk) 10:15, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure. The sources are vague. At least your new map is concordant with the previous map now. Maybe after some research I will get back to you. Abductive (reasoning) 10:38, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Suncus etruscus does not occur on either Socotra or Madagascar according to current taxonomy; the species there is Suncus madagascariensis. Ucucha 10:57, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

What's on Socotra? Abductive (reasoning) 11:18, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Also madagascariensis. See MSW 3. Ucucha 11:27, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

So, should I paint а new Suncus madagascariensis range map, including Sokotra? Chermundy (talk) 12:54, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Based on unpublished data, the Socotran pop is vaguely said to be "closer" to S. madagascariensis. Abductive (reasoning) 09:39, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Slow loris range maps

I noticed the addition of range maps to several prosimian articles. Thanks! Since WP:MAMMALS is collaboratively working on the Slow Loris article, I was wondering if you could make a map that contains all three species' ranges (ignoring subspecies details) for inclusion in the genus article? – VisionHolder « talk » 13:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem... But not today. Wait, please :) Chermundy (talk) 15:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

At your convenience.  :-) Thanks! – VisionHolder « talk » 17:04, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Done. File:Slow_loris_area.png. Chermundy (talk) 22:09, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! By the way... how are you making these? I know you're using the data from the IUCN, but is there some automated system you're using for translating the data into maps? The reason I ask is that I would eventually like to create maps from the data, but saving it in SVG format instead. – VisionHolder « talk » 22:40, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I use a program I wrote myself. There are over 5000 mammal species, and it would be difficult to paint all theirs distribution maps by hand. Although I never before worked with vector graphics, I suspect converting shapefile into SVG images may be even easier and faster than into PNG ones... Chermundy (talk) 23:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

That's exactly what I was thinking. If you ever want to give it a try, let me know. I have a standard SVG map for Madagascar that we could work with. If I could at least standardize all the lemur maps with some automated process, I'd be very happy. But for now, I'm content with both of our maps. But if you're ever up for the challenge, let me know and I'll gladly try to work with you on it. – VisionHolder « talk » 00:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean this — File:Madagascar range map template.svg — map? I tried to use it as base map for creating range maps of 187 mammal species, endemic to Madagascar (some of them I already uploaded). Also I corrected locations of islands, added Juan de Nova Island, Glorioso Islands, part of Mozambique coast, changed styles of rivers and borders. Have you similar map (if it is the one you mean) for other regions? Chermundy (talk) 11:22, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, this is exactly what I mean. Wow! This is beautiful! Would you mind doing this for all the lemur species, including the ones that already have maps made by me? (I don't mind you correcting them.) If so, and before you start, I was wondering if there were a source for you to draw upon to fix the rivers? Whoever added the rivers clearly did it free-hand and quickly. Several are clearly off. If you could fix those up and hit every lemur species you have data for, I would be eternally indebted to you. You're already getting a barnstar from me once I get home tonight have and a moment to pick one out. Excellent work!!! – VisionHolder « talk » 13:21, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

What do you think about this — File:Madagascar_Locator.svg — as rivers map? Chermundy (talk) 17:53, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't have all the rivers I would like to see covered, but it's definitely better. I just wish we had data to fix up this one: Madagascar_rivers.svg. – VisionHolder « talk » 18:03, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Mandrare is not seen on this map, but actually present... What other rivers would you like? Chermundy (talk) 19:22, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Mandrare is the big one, but I won't really know until I start writing about geographic barriers what divide species. There is also another river not shown on either map called the Manombo River, between the Mangoky River and the Fiherenana River on the southwest coast. It's illustrated on page 288 of the Seddon 2000 paper referenced at Mikea Forest. (If you don't have access to it, email me and I'll send you a copy.) Sorry for the trouble.... – VisionHolder « talk » 23:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Bad news on the slow loris front: As I start to pull more and more sources together, it looks like the taxonomy is a mess, and we may be acknowledging at least 1 (if not 2 to 4) new species on Wiki. Would it be possible to sometime (at your convenience) re-do all the slow loris range maps as SVG files? If you put each species range on its own layer, then for the genus article I could merge those layers and more easily customize how things appear. Again, there's no huge rush. Take as much time as you need. Sorry, but these SVG files are so much easier to manipulate. – VisionHolder « talk » 02:17, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

How strange... I have noticed your message dated 9 January just today... Nevertheless, which projection do you prefer? Robinson, as on previous slow loris range map, or, maybe, simple cylindrical, as on Madagascar base map? Also, which basemap to use - gray-white Robinson, as usually, or you would try another one? Sorry for delay, if I had noticed, I could do it more earlier. Chermundy (talk) 10:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Species range maps

Hi Chermundy, great work with all the species range maps you've been churning out! It would be even better if you could be consistent with the colours. For example if all ranges of primates should really be one colour. Personally I would recommend all mammal range maps use consistent colours, unless separate species are shown on one map then obviously other colours would need to be used. Cheers, Jack (talk) 13:40, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Fauna Barnstar
		For your amazing work with range map generation, particularly the enhancement and creation of the lemur range map SVG files. – VisionHolder « talk » 23:11, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I support and double this barnstar, Top effort mate. ZooPro 02:22, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Great work on maps! Keep up the work!!! prashanthns (talk) 19:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, I was going to leave you a note saying thanks for the range maps...but I see I'm just chiming in with the choir. Still, thanks! Drmies (talk) 16:22, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Grevy's zebra range map

Hello, thank you for the Grevy's zebra map but you put a red dot on the southern tip of Kenya. Can you please remove it? Thanks. LittleJerry (talk) 03:32, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

It is introduced area. It's my fault: I forgot to describe it. (To be sure, see range map from www.iucnredlist.org). Chermundy (talk) 09:32, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

When you come back...

Hopefully you're just on a short break. I really loved your range map work and would hate to lose you! When and if you come back, please let me know. I would like to utilize your skills to revamp the slow loris range maps a bit. At the very least, I would love to know what program you use to create these maps, particularly if it can be done with SVG files. Best, – VisionHolder « talk » 05:32, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

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I was wondering if you could share the details of how you generated the range maps a while back. Some of the lemur ranges may be getting updated soon due to their recent re-evaluation by the IUCN. Since I plan to keep the lemur pages relatively up-to-date (once I get them all written), I would like to know how to replicate your work. (P.S. - I was formerly known as Visionholder.) – Maky ^« talk » 04:39, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, I saw you moved a lot of articles about dwarf stars to extremely long titles. I started a move request at Talk:WISE 1541-2250. Perhaps you could wait with more moves until we have had a discussion? Please. Thank you Hekerui (talk) 13:06, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I initiated another discussion at Talk:WISE 1506+7027. Regards Hekerui (talk) 22:10, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Notability

Hello Chermundy. You should have a look at the discussion going on at "Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomical objects#WISE object notability" (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/WISEPC_J222623.05+044003.9) as it may affect many of the articles that you have worked on. -- Kheider (talk) 23:26, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

<months later> I, too, am wondering about the notability of things like GJ 1057 and the host of similarly named articles. If it's so obscure that it doesn't even have a name, does it need a whole encyclopedia article? --Wtshymanski (talk) 20:24, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I wish the author would create a list of Red dwarfs near the Sun similar to List of brown dwarfs. I would love to see a list article showing red dwarfs visible in backyard telescopes. -- Kheider (talk) 21:15, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Be Bold! Make the list and redirect all these 1-liners to it! --Wtshymanski (talk) 14:42, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I already hugely authored List of brown dwarfs. The irony is that Chermundy would be the perfect editor to create and maintain a list of Red dwarfs near the Sun. He could list the name, distance, spectral type, constellation, RA/Dec, and visual apparent magnitude. I suppose RECONS with ~K9-M8 main sequence would be a good starting point. The best for backyard telescopes (or binoculars) is AX Microscopii. But at the same time, most of the objects listed at List of nearest stars and brown dwarfs (which truncates at 16.3 light-years) are red dwarfs because red dwarfs are the most common stellar type. I am not sure a largely redundant list of Red dwarfs near the Sun that lists stars up to ~25 light-years is worth the trouble. Perhaps it would be better to add a section called "Additional Red dwarfs within 25 light-years" to List of nearest stars and brown dwarfs. -- Kheider (talk) 15:24, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, I nominated a few brown dwarf articles for deletion. Regards Hekerui (talk) 14:00, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Chermundy, I nominated some more articles for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WISEPC J222623.05+044003.9. Regards Hekerui (talk) 23:41, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

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Brush-furred mouse

Hi Chermundy,

In this article, Brush-furred mouse you put 12 new species:

• Lophuromys chercherensis
• Lophuromys kilonzoi
• Lophuromys laticeps
• Lophuromys machangui
• Lophuromys makundii
• Lophuromys margarettae
• Lophuromys menageshae
• Lophuromys pseudosikapusi
• Lophuromys rita
• Lophuromys sabunii
• Lophuromys simensis
• Lophuromys stanleyi

This species aren't in the Mammals of the World and neither in the wikispecies. From where do you get them? Regards. DenesFeri (talk) 12:15, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Please answer. DenesFeri (talk) 08:29, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

CM Draconis

Hello, could you please complete the reference "van Altena1995" which you have added here? Thanks. --bender235 (talk) 13:08, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Help with an arthropod template?

Hi Chermundy, I noticed you made substantial improvements to Template:Arthropods a while back, and I was wondering if you're interested in helping me put together a similar template for living and extinct orders of millipedes, based primarily on the classification shown in the article. I've got a mockup of a template here, and while I'm a bit savvy with html templates, I'm not so good at starting from scratch. Let me know what you think. Cheers! --Animalparty-- (talk) 07:26, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Nevermind, already done.

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RR Ursae Minoris

Hey Chermundy, do you have a source for this? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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Maps

Once upon a time you created range maps for many animals, including lemurs, using the data from the IUCN Red List. I'm looking to reinvent the base template for the Madagascar range map and learn how to make these maps myself so that I don't have to annoy you any time I need one of these fixed/updated. I was wondering if you used QGIS to import the IUCN Red List data, I was also wondering if you could help me learn how to convert maps made in QGIS to SVG format more efficiently.

Also, how did you get such broad access to the IUCN Red List data files for their maps? I've made general requests for all lemur map data, but I never get replies. Did you submit hundreds of requests individually and wait for them to reply one at a time? – Maky ^« talk » 22:33, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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maybe slow down or make a list?

Hi Chermundy. You seem to be cranking out un-sourced astronomical object stubs at a rapid pace, and many of them are already being considered for deletion. Perhaps it is worth slowing down a bit, re-reading Wikipedia:Notability (astronomical objects), and working on any given article first, rather than making more nearly identicals stub that basically says nothing other than something exists. We should strive for articles, not transcribing points of data from a database. Be a writer, not a robot! Your time and effort might be better put towards expanding List of brown dwarfs rather than creating headaches, more work, and time-consuming deletion discussions for other editors. Cheers, --Animalparty-- (talk) 03:19, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

GJ 4053

I think I've managed to save GJ 4053 from deletion. Or at least stall things a little. However you have around seven more star articles up for deletion for the same reason as GJ 4053 and I cant get to all of them. If you value the stubs you created, please help to keep them around. You can use the work I've done on the above article as a template. Thanks, Ryan shell (talk) 15:31, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

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G 141-36 ‎

Hi there. As you'll see I have redirected your article G 141-36 ‎to Red dwarf. You can edit it into an article at any time but it may be a better idea to work on these articles as a draft then move them into mainspace. Best wishes Flat Out let's discuss it 04:23, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

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Nearly all of your recent creations seem to fail WP:NASTRO. As you've been clearly told of the guideline before, I will ask you more firmly this time: heed the guideline when creating astronomical object stubs, or you will find them getting deleted. StringTheory11 (t • c) 23:58, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

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Edits to Template:Eukaryota

Placement of Hemimastigida in Rhizaria is very tentative. No member of the group has ever been sequenced (scuttlebut suggests that will change soon, though). Until the results of sequencing are announced, Hemimastigophora should be regarded as incertae sedis.

As for Eozoa, even Cavalier-Smith no longer thinks his group is basal to the Eukaryotes (as long ago as 2010, he called that an "old idea"). He now thinks the root lies within his Eozoa, between Euglenozoa and the rest of the tree, with Jakobids and Percolozoa on the far side of the divide: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105579031630015X

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Hey, I notice the insertion of Template:Mammaliaformes and am inclined to oppose that as 'not harmless' for [reasons]. There has been a little discussion here and there if you would like me to link that. ~ cygnis insignis 17:53, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

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More discussion before big navbox changes would be appreciated

Hello Chermundy, I would like you to know that your efforts to combine and reformat navboxes are a bit difficult to moderate. I disagree with many of your formatting choices, such as combining the Archosauriformes and Archosauromorpha navboxes, or creating a separate grouping for Crocopoda. I believe these kinds of edits create unnecessary clutter and are difficult for readers to navigate. However, you edit so quickly and affect so many pages in a short time span that it can be difficult to keep track of your work if one wishes to revert it. This conduct can be considered suspicious, but I believe you are acting in good faith even if I don't understand your motivations. I simply request that you give WP:PALEO some warning before you completely rewrite a navbox in use on hundreds of Wikipedia pages. It would be really helpful for me and a few other users who occasionally take issue with these types of edits. Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 18:37, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Seriously, what is your goal in condensing separate reptile navboxes together. Is it really helpful for general readers? I don't want to be rude, but once again I would like some warning before you do this kind of edit wave. Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 17:06, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Further, we only ever use ONE image in a navbox. The use of 6 images in the Insect Orders box could mislead some people into supposing the images represented the full range of Orders, or were intended to (so they'd add even more...). The rule and custom is one image per box, and it's a good one. I second Fanboyphilosopher's comments above; navboxes are widely used and must be changed cautiously and per policy. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:29, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

While I'm fine with multiple images being used in navboxes in general, I agree that it would be confusing in a navbox based around orders, rather than genera. Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 15:25, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

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Request for you to reverse some recent changes to tetrapod navboxes

Hello Chermundy, I noticed that you have made a lot of recent edits to several navbox templates regarding prehistoric tetrapods and reptiles. I am kindly asking you to reconsider and undo all of the changes you have made over the past few days. These recent edits I take issue with include:

• Moving mesosaurs, millerettids, and acleistorhinids from the parareptile navbox to the sauropsid navbox.
• Moving araeoscelidians, captorhinids, and protorothyrids from the sauropsid navbox to the early tetrapod navbox.
• Dividing the early tetrapod navbox through the addition of a second "total-Amniota" group.

To elaborate on the first two bullets, as I understand it, these changes were inspired by a desire to conform to the phylogenetic hypothesis of a fairly recent paper, "Successive climate crises in the deep past drove the early evolution and radiation of reptiles" by Simões et al., 2022. I do not inherently disagree with the paper's hypothesis that some groups frequently regarded as parareptiles or sauropsids may be better positioned elsewhere in the tetrapod family tree. However, this is a novel hypothesis which will require more evaluation by future studies.

In my opinion, Simões et al., 2022 is a paper which is simply too "young" to be authoritative or for us to alter our navboxes to follow its conclusions. There's little evidence that it has established a new consensus on amniote and stem-amniote phylogeny, even if a few of its conclusions (like parareptile paraphyly) are independently supported by some other research teams. Another concern of mine is that the new phylogeny depicted in Simões et al., 2022 is secondary to the main topic of the paper (the response of amniote diversity through Carboniferous-Triassic climate change), so a lot of aspects of the new family tree are not described or justified in detail. For example, their phylogeny labels "Amniota" and "Crown-Amniota" as distinct nested clades, despite other studies consistently using Amniota as a crown group.

That brings me to my third bullet: "Reptiliomorpha" is the most commonly used name for the total group of Amniota, so I see no justification for the erection of "total-Amniota" as a distinct subset within Reptiliomorpha. I should also note that "total-Amniota" is a term which is not present in the scientific literature (0 hits on google scholar). Phylonyms (2020) does prefer a similar clade name ("pan-Amniota") as an alternative to Reptiliomorpha. However, the guidelines described in Phylonyms are not authoritative nor beholden to consensus, and even Phylonyms admits that Reptiliomorpha is a far more common name for the total group of Amniota.

For all of these reasons, I request that you pause and backtrack on your recent overhaul of those three navboxes and the various articles which rely on them. I believe it would save all of us a lot of time and effort. You have done great work on creating and maintaining Wikipedia navboxes in the past, and I would greatly appreciate the chance for us to maintain better lines of communication to resolve or prevent these disagreements ahead of time. NGPezz (talk) 02:29, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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